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So I'm playing D&D at a friend's house, and he is courteous enough to cook a meal for everyone coming over--broiled steaks, pasta with pesto, and pizza rolls for appetizers. After dinner, everyone is sitting around preparing their characters, and he asks, "Does anyone want more? Steak? Pasta? ...Salad, perhaps?"

Everyone murmurs that they'd like more pasta and pizza rolls, and I say, "Salad sounds great. Let me do something?" He looks slightly flummoxed, so I decide that I will go ahead and make my own salad, because he has the pizza rolls and pasta covered, and they are fairly simple, but assembling a salad can be labor-intenstive. While he does that, I go rummage around in the vegetable drawer. I find some big fat sugar snap peapods, baby tomatoes, baby bell peppers, and cucumbers, and slice up a few things and arrange them on a plate, like so:



He was impressed. "Very orderly!"

"Do you want me to make you one?" I asked.

He shook his head. "I don't eat vegetables."

"No...vegetables? Ever?" I munched. The peas were delicious, the cucumbers okay. The tomatoes had suffered somewhat from being in the fridge (tomatoes do NOT go in the fridge, they lose flavor), but the peppers were tasty and really cool.

"Here's how I think of it," he explained, as we went back into the living room. "Meat...is good. Vegetables are the opposite of meat. Therefore, vegetables are bad."

I was going to argue that his premise AND reasoning AND conclusion was all wrong, because it would have been one of the few times I would have been able to out-argue this particular friend, but then we started the game and outwitting Daleks was more of a priority than discussing nutrition.

But what the fuck? We are not talking about someone who lives in a food desert and has no access to fresh foods or time to cook; we are talking about an upper-middle-class person who clearly knows how to cook and has been doing so for a while, whose parents had a wide range of ingredients and pre-packaged foods in their fridge and pantry. The sad thing is that this is not the first friend I have had who has utterly despised vegetables and refused to eat them on what appears to be general principle. (And it's usually geeks, and it's usually geek guys, at least in terms of people who've actually announced this as though it's something to be proud of.)

I don't get it. Not all vegetables taste the same, not all of them have the same texture. A bell pepper feels and tastes different from a cucumber from a carrot from romaine lettuce. Why all vegetables? Does anyone have any insight on this phenomenon? Some sort of food-related rebellion or trauma? Unusual sensitivity to fiber? Misguided machismo?

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Date: 2010-06-17 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kleenexwoman.livejournal.com
Definitely learned behavior. I get itchy if I go for a day without showering, but I know there are cultures and times where people bathed once a year, never washed their hair, and it was totally normal to them...

I'm good with bathing, but housecleaning is a mystery to me--my parents sort of did it and then expected me to catch on intuitively, which I did not (and then yelled at me when I didn't, which gave me Issues). It's taken me several years to figure out when my floors need to be vacuumed, and will take me longer to start caring.

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Date: 2010-06-17 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] itcomesinphases.livejournal.com
You had half a chance of picking it up through osmosis, though. My parents are certified hoarders. [insert childhood horror story about messy house and what happened when mother decided it was time to clean up]. And it is, unfortunately, genetic. It's a war between me and my NEED FOR STUFF. But I feel like I'm winning more of the battles than I'm loosing.

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Date: 2010-06-17 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kleenexwoman.livejournal.com
oh my god, your childhood :( I'm really glad that you're getting over the dysfunctional habits and non-habits. A lot of people can't or aren't willing to. *hugs*

I'm not sure if my family has a hoarding gene (my dad had the most enormous collection of records for YEARS, and now he has over 1,000 CDs and is building up a massive DVD collection, and my mom used to have an entire room in the basement full of fabric samples--now I collect books almost compulsively), or if we just like having stuff.

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Date: 2010-06-18 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] itcomesinphases.livejournal.com
I think the difference is "I must keep this stuff because I may need it for something in the future/I plan to use it for something in the future" with anxiety attached to not having it on the off chance that you do need it in the future. Whereas collecting something happens because you like that particular kind of thing and would like to have more of it.

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