help, rosy-fingered dawn is molesting me
Jan. 27th, 2006 01:46 pmIt’s suspiciously nice out today, so I feel rather guilty about spending even this time inside the library computer lab. Koper just gave a rather interesting lecture on poetry and rhyme and meter, though.
There’s a line in the Odyssey that he said he took to heart when he was a wee English major, a line about how all men should respect poets because they know the ways of living. “I was quite the snob when I was a junior,” he said. “I thought that I was somehow morally superior to all those economics majors around me. Ha!” He then went on to describe the modern poetry scene in great and depressing detail: Everyone has a little magazine, and they send their poems out to their friends, and they publish each others’ poems in their little magazines and nobody ever reads them. Except for other poets.
“It’s because they don’t RHYME, goddammit!” Well, he didn’t actually say that. Actually, it was the other way around; poems stopped having to rhyme because people stopped having to remember them. Rhyme is an important mnemonic device, and the Greek poets used rhyme and meter and all those ticky-tacky things because people had to remember their poems, since they were the only kind of history around. Once you got good solid history books, you got people like Eliot and Pound (Modern Poetry is next semester, I promise) who insisted that poetry should be so frickin’ deep and crazy that absolutely nobody could understand it.
There’s a reason I like Ginsberg. He wrote about guys having sex. I can understand guys having sex. Everyone can understand guys having sex. (OK, so that’s not the only reason I like him, it’s because his poems are swarming with amazing imagery and innovative, loose form and still manage to be memorable without super-strict meter and rhyme. But it’s kind of great when the first poem you read in a new poetry book involves teenaged Allen and Neal lying in bed next to each other, sliding sweaty hands...’scuse me.)
Three semesters of Poetry Collective have disabused me of the notion that poetry should necessarily be instantly accessible. It’s nice when it is--poetry for the masses--but it’s more challenging to be able to make up your own meanings for poems. This is how poets think about poems, people, and this is why nobody who isn’t actually a poet or a frustrated poet reads poetry anymore. There are only two people in the world who will know what “I am what raspberries feel like” really, really means in the context of the entire poem, a few thousand who will take the time to make up their own meaning to it, and a billion more who will say that it’s junk because they can’t understand it. And depending on how you feel about the role of accessibility in the creation of art, they could be right.
The decision of whether to make your poem easily understandable or keep your own idiosyncratic vision is a struggle. The fact that there are people for whom these decisions are mutually exclusive suggests that poets are in some way, good or bad, crazy.
I suppose it’s easier when you don’t understand what the hell your own poem means, though. That way, other people can make up meanings for you. You’re home free.
The thing that Koper doesn’t really get is that poetry has really split into two very different groups. The group that’s called “poetry” is...well, poetry. Little blats of non-rhyming, avant-garde stuff that gets published in chapbooks. Then you’ve got what the Greeks would have called poetry--stuff that rhymes, that tells stories, that’s set to music. Stuff that gets put on albums. These poets are still revered as gods, but they’re not called poets anymore, they are called rock stars. The fact that their poems are seldom epic stories is immaterial—people memorize their stuff, pass it down, listen to it over and over. It’s the power of rhyme.
I used to write epic poems when I was a kid. I’d write them about the Red Wings (this was back when Steve Yzerman was the biggest thing to hit Detroit since the tanks that the National Guard sent in back in the 60s), stuff I saw on TV, stuff I read in the papers, stuff I saw out the car window. I stopped doing rhyming poetry mostly because I felt really silly bringing it into Poet’s Collective.
I kind of want to get back to writing things with structure, though. Maybe that’s the problem—I don’t know how to create a structure with my poems. The one that’s been frustrating me is pretty loose. (Not that I’m going to force it into a structure--I’ll wait till BJ reads it and see what he thinks to do anything more with it. Until then, I’m taking
lily_lemony’s suggestion and letting it gel.)
Structured poems take time and planning. Could do an invocation to the muses. Or a sonnet. Actually, I was considering writing an Aloysius/Diogenes slash story in the form of an epic Greek poem. The subject matter is perfect—two brothers who make themselves out to represent good and evil, caught in a bizarre psychosexual struggle. Plus, I get to use epithets.
Oh, you know what those are, right? They’re GREAT. “Grey-eyed Athena.” “The salt road” for the sea. “Chocolate-orbed Mary Sue.” Stuff like “red-haired Diogenes” is not only hovering somewhere around dactylic (if you poke it a little), but it also takes up a whole third of a line if I’m doing hexameter. My work is cut out for me!
This is if I get my homework done, you understand. I’m not letting myself write anything until I’ve done the required reading for class.
There’s a line in the Odyssey that he said he took to heart when he was a wee English major, a line about how all men should respect poets because they know the ways of living. “I was quite the snob when I was a junior,” he said. “I thought that I was somehow morally superior to all those economics majors around me. Ha!” He then went on to describe the modern poetry scene in great and depressing detail: Everyone has a little magazine, and they send their poems out to their friends, and they publish each others’ poems in their little magazines and nobody ever reads them. Except for other poets.
“It’s because they don’t RHYME, goddammit!” Well, he didn’t actually say that. Actually, it was the other way around; poems stopped having to rhyme because people stopped having to remember them. Rhyme is an important mnemonic device, and the Greek poets used rhyme and meter and all those ticky-tacky things because people had to remember their poems, since they were the only kind of history around. Once you got good solid history books, you got people like Eliot and Pound (Modern Poetry is next semester, I promise) who insisted that poetry should be so frickin’ deep and crazy that absolutely nobody could understand it.
There’s a reason I like Ginsberg. He wrote about guys having sex. I can understand guys having sex. Everyone can understand guys having sex. (OK, so that’s not the only reason I like him, it’s because his poems are swarming with amazing imagery and innovative, loose form and still manage to be memorable without super-strict meter and rhyme. But it’s kind of great when the first poem you read in a new poetry book involves teenaged Allen and Neal lying in bed next to each other, sliding sweaty hands...’scuse me.)
Three semesters of Poetry Collective have disabused me of the notion that poetry should necessarily be instantly accessible. It’s nice when it is--poetry for the masses--but it’s more challenging to be able to make up your own meanings for poems. This is how poets think about poems, people, and this is why nobody who isn’t actually a poet or a frustrated poet reads poetry anymore. There are only two people in the world who will know what “I am what raspberries feel like” really, really means in the context of the entire poem, a few thousand who will take the time to make up their own meaning to it, and a billion more who will say that it’s junk because they can’t understand it. And depending on how you feel about the role of accessibility in the creation of art, they could be right.
The decision of whether to make your poem easily understandable or keep your own idiosyncratic vision is a struggle. The fact that there are people for whom these decisions are mutually exclusive suggests that poets are in some way, good or bad, crazy.
I suppose it’s easier when you don’t understand what the hell your own poem means, though. That way, other people can make up meanings for you. You’re home free.
The thing that Koper doesn’t really get is that poetry has really split into two very different groups. The group that’s called “poetry” is...well, poetry. Little blats of non-rhyming, avant-garde stuff that gets published in chapbooks. Then you’ve got what the Greeks would have called poetry--stuff that rhymes, that tells stories, that’s set to music. Stuff that gets put on albums. These poets are still revered as gods, but they’re not called poets anymore, they are called rock stars. The fact that their poems are seldom epic stories is immaterial—people memorize their stuff, pass it down, listen to it over and over. It’s the power of rhyme.
I used to write epic poems when I was a kid. I’d write them about the Red Wings (this was back when Steve Yzerman was the biggest thing to hit Detroit since the tanks that the National Guard sent in back in the 60s), stuff I saw on TV, stuff I read in the papers, stuff I saw out the car window. I stopped doing rhyming poetry mostly because I felt really silly bringing it into Poet’s Collective.
I kind of want to get back to writing things with structure, though. Maybe that’s the problem—I don’t know how to create a structure with my poems. The one that’s been frustrating me is pretty loose. (Not that I’m going to force it into a structure--I’ll wait till BJ reads it and see what he thinks to do anything more with it. Until then, I’m taking
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Structured poems take time and planning. Could do an invocation to the muses. Or a sonnet. Actually, I was considering writing an Aloysius/Diogenes slash story in the form of an epic Greek poem. The subject matter is perfect—two brothers who make themselves out to represent good and evil, caught in a bizarre psychosexual struggle. Plus, I get to use epithets.
Oh, you know what those are, right? They’re GREAT. “Grey-eyed Athena.” “The salt road” for the sea. “Chocolate-orbed Mary Sue.” Stuff like “red-haired Diogenes” is not only hovering somewhere around dactylic (if you poke it a little), but it also takes up a whole third of a line if I’m doing hexameter. My work is cut out for me!
This is if I get my homework done, you understand. I’m not letting myself write anything until I’ve done the required reading for class.